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Well you suggested he was somehow trying harder because he was playing for a contract. Which he was last year. I think the question is, was he "limited" because he couldn't play, or was he limited by the offense and/or coaches. I've noticed that other teams seem to be able to get more than...

This is why I don't bet on games. I thought Carolina would win, maybe easily. Are they overrated or are the Giants going to be this good...

Why didn't that apply to last year? He was playing for a contract then, too.

Limited why? Concussion or something else? (Never mind, looked it up and it's a hip. Wonder if that's the truth.) We definitely need Lee. Connor should never see the field.

Remember that time when Jerry commented on a player playing or not and the media asked Parcells about it? And he snapped back, "Jerry doesn't decide who plays, I do!" Fast forward to today. -------------------------- Garrett Says He Doesn’t Feel Owner Is “Undermining” Him Josh Ellis...

I'm sure Schiano will take a knee at some point. The difference is, he'll tell his O-line to be ready for the other team to actually play instead of standing there.

Seriously? So what are you going to do when the new "kneel down" is to hand the ball to a RB five yards deep and have him "accidentally" stumble over his feet and fall down two yards short of the LOS? Penalize that, too? It's very hard to legislate intent. Naw, when you have the ball you...

That's assuming that he stresses about them like we do... Which is doubtful when his balance sheet is going 16-0.

How can this be possible with Woicik in the house... :sneak

In 2007 we ran that stretch play and play actioned off it like the Manning Colts used to all the time.. I don't know why we threw that play out of the playbook because we got a lot of big plays from it. Maybe that was a Sparano thing. But it worked.

Same here, I think the Giants lose. Newton is a handful and it's always tough to travel on a short week. As for us, I don't know. I think it helps us that we're getting killed all week - we seem to respond better to that than getting our asses kissed. But they're a tough team that is playing...

I started to listen to that Stern show but didn't get too far into it. One day when I'm just working around the house or something for a couple of hours I'll get the rest of it.

Ok, I think I get you. I never thought that was a 2010-Jacksonville-level outright quitting. But I do think our effort was very sub-par.

theebs, why did the all-22 make you change your mind about how hard we played? They did play harder than us... Anytime you give up 90-yard methodical drives, and can't run the ball, the other team is playing harder than you. Unless they're just physically better than you, which I don't think...

That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Thanks hairic, this is great. Now I get to hear the commentary.

I went down that same 9-11 youtube wormhole last night and yeah, the conspiracy nuts just piss me off. One truther kept insisting that no one should argue with him until they'd done hours of "research" on google like he had. lol

Oh, ok. Well I think that there are intelligence reports about possible things that could happen pretty much constantly, but we can't possibly respond to them all. So it's going to look bad in hindsight. I mean, we had some info the Japanese might want to attack Pearl Harbor, too, but it...

So you're a 9/11 conspiracy guy? I must've missed it as I usually avoid this folder. Edit, or I'm getting trolled. lol

Uh, he speaks some truths but he also speaks a lot of kooky conspiracy stuff. Sorry, got farther along... Make it tons of kooky conspiracy stuff.