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It'd be nice if you knew what the discussion was before sticking your nose into it. How about you go and read the discussion then come back with an opinion. Thanks.

Yes and I've had people refuse to work for what I pay. Some come back others don't. Their choice.

They are doing what they think they need to do to get a living wage. It's their choice and who are you to dictate what their wage should be?

Good point but all I have ever said is I have no issue with them trying to get a better wage at their jobs and they'd have to live with the consequences of their choices.

They are trying to get more than minimum wage and trying to unionize. The wage isn't set by the market it is set by law. If there wasn't a minimum wage they'd be paid less. I hate overpaying for stuff but I'm not going to begrudge someone trying to get living wage.

The two situations aren't similar.

That's their choice.

So we can assume that you will never accept or ask for a raise? After all you knew what the wage was when you took the job.

If they get fired that's the consequence for their strike. They feel they are worth more, why shouldn't the try to fight for more money.

Not even once.

I'm not suggesting that but I have no issue with people taking a risk to demand one.

:lol You mad Bro? They are taking a risk too.

Problem is you didn't do it but you think others should. You had help. I have no issue with them trying to get a better wage and it makes no sense that others would. They are taking a risk, a huge risk you aren't.

I lived on my own since I was 18. Never once borrowed money or anything from my parents, other relatives or friends (including a place to live while I got back on my feet). Went to college, needed money joined the military, worked all through college, married young and had kids, bought my own...

Sounds to me like you depended on a lot of people to help you out, yet you complain because other people are trying get a higher wage. Trying in a manner that doesn't guarantee success and very well could end up in them losing their jobs.

You do realize that "the get an education" mantra is what others were using to begrudge these folks getting a higher wage? Of course college isn't the magic cure all for great success, but it betters your odds.

Because it's a fact. If you are going to tell people to better themselves through education because you don't want them to fight for higher wages, then you have to understand that the education you are prescribing costs money.

No one is making excuses. You're just complaining to complain. You think you're making a point but you're not. What you and your fellow immigrants have done is admirable. I'd wager You are the exception not the rule. It doesn't make what you did any less impressive.

:lol Whatever. You know how I know you don't have a point other than to complain? See the part I bolded. You did what you felt you had to do, those folks are doing what they feel they need to do. I don't begrudge you, you shouldn't begrudge them.

I disagree I think it's both moral and the system. Campaign finance reform, lobbyist reforms, get people who aren't elected by the people out if the political process. Add more parties make the other changes and we have a system where people have a choice and a choice that can be clear based...