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Or burning bushes that talk? Yeah, I believe. I believe in miracles too, but I readily admit that I'm not the religious pillar of my church.

Jon: I believe the government was behind 9/11 and the Muslims were lackeys, evidence be damned. DCU: Hey Jon, what do you think about God and religion? Jon: They don't exist. There's no evidence and it's an unbelievable theory.

Yep....but there's still hope if he repents now.

Stay away from Jon....the heat's about to get turned up in his world.

The main question is how the image came to be on the shroud in the first place. At the very least it raises some interesting questions and it can't be completely dismissed. And no, I'm not a bible thumper. I just find it intriguing.

I didn't think it was too bad. At the very least, it may help a few people here find their way.......

Pretty interesting and this video would indicate that the Shroud couldn't be an elaborate painting as some have suggested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N9NPuxCjXg

I might be offended if you even knew or understood what that view was but it's obvious you can't grasp it. No sweat. The thread will just continue to deteriorate to the point that any reasonable discussion is pointless. You can have the last word.

Honestly, leave that bullshit somewhere else. I didn't insult anyone's intelligence and I wasn't questioning or thinking it was unreasonable to wonder why a county employee is making crazy money. On the contrary, I question it as well. It's not my problem if you can't follow the flow of the...

I've had multiple posts in this thread and I think I've stated pretty clearly where I stand on the subject. Civil servants, whether you agree with them or not, are necessary to the function of government; it's a necessary expense. Have some unions and pension plans gone way off the...

It just doesn't sink in. It may not be the case across the board and not all pension plans are the same, but it certainly is in many cases.

I haven't been advocating a distinction. At some point, these things are necessary expenditures (ie: public safety, teachers, firefighters, etc). What I have stated is that in today's economic climate, the continued increase in salaries and benefits needs to be looked at and there can be a...

Of course it's spending. What's your point?

Look TE, I think you're much smarter than that. Do you really believe that NY, CA or IL are going broke because of civil servants? Really? These liberal states have spent themselves into oblivion.

Maybe you've not been watching the news lately about Wisconsin and I'm sure other states will follow, if they haven't already. I don't have any issue with folks being critical and in some cases, it's justified. Just be accurate with the facts.

It has worked for years. You act as if the public sector has never been dealing with employee pensions. Municipalities, as well as our own government, are going bankrupt because they are not fiscally responsible. I agree that unions and pensions need to be looked at; there is a fair median...

I take it personally, to some extent, because I want the information relayed to the public to be accurate. When there are myths and misconceptions that people spout and others take it as gospel, that's a problem. I agree that, given the economic climate, it's tough to justify increases in...

I agree that they work as much OT as possible when they near retirement but that OT needs to be approved. For a uniformed NYPD officer to make anywhere near what you're saying after 20 years of service, they'd have to have salaries in excess of $200,000 with overtime. That's impossible (for a...

Maybe I'm old but I don't know a retired cop with 20 years of service that has a 100k pension. You get 50% of your salary for 20 years of service. For each additional year after 20, you get 1.66% extra on top of the 50%. If you go to 40 years your pension will be based on 83.2% of the...

Your numbers are way off. You may be confusing their final year's salary with their pension (which may be half your figure). Even then, a NYC police officer would probably have to work some crazy overtime to hit that salary figure. The reality is that the NYPD is underpaid to work AND live in...