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Both were far better passers coming out of college, so you missed the point totally. Everybody said Tebow needed a lot of work before he would be ready to start NFL games.

The race question was why are people bending over backward to give Tebow a chance and all of the credit when he is definitely a limited QB as a passer yet black QB's with a similar skill set had to play other positions while learning he position. Kordell Stewart was an example that was used, a...

Really? You think Spears and Coleman were demanding more double teams?

I did not get that, it just sounds like Garret being politically correct. but if he is doing that I would have lost any respect for him its not like his offense has come up big in clutch situations since he has been here.

Anyway am done with this discussion. Game Time

Are you really trying to claim that people who make people who good money don't have debt issues or pay all of there bills. I guess you don't know who actually declares bankruptcy a high percentage of the time or what tax brackets "steal" money by illegal tax methods.

Now your just creating arguments that I have not made. lol Not paying your bills has nothing to do with skin color thats why this country is built on debt and buying shit you can't afford and we all know who is in the majority.

This patently false I have heard of other young players having these same issues straight out of college. They are just not national news because they are not Cowboys but hey all of this is career threatening and stuff.

No its just not a reason to bring in the morality aspects of non bill paying and you going to the thief card shows you want to take an extreme angle on the argument. Players have problems with bills all of time and yet for some reason with Dez its career threatening. :Emo

Yeah sorry I can't have that discussion anymore.

And we were able to push their defense around, Felix had more yards than Jacobs or Bradshaw. Not saying we will win but at least acknowledge we ran very well on them also.

:hand If thats where this is going I will just stop this discussion.

The differences are not that great and IMO his larger number of TD's balances out the overall stats. But hey if you think he is the better player thats your right.

I don't understand how him having trouble paying bills has caused so many trust issues its something that happens all the time around the NFL. For a player to never have had any trouble with the law its amazing how much doom and gloom there is around his "future" with the team. The only reason...

Ok tell me why they are not even?

So tell me again why its the same comparison as RW? Or does Nicks having 20 more yards a game mean more than the 3 TD's

Dez was dinged for the 1st part of the year as well, while Nicks was healthy so they both have been less than 100%. Nicks might very well end up being the better receiver I just don't see him as making that clear separation as of yet.

So Jones having 30 more yards receiving than Dez before this game means more than 3 more TD's?

Yeah Nicks, Jones and Cruz are all working with so much more upstairs.lol Its amazing that Dez has 3 more TD's than Nicks and Jones yet for some reason he is way down the list. I admit Cruz is having a phenomenal year but I doubt anybody would take him straight up over Bryant.

Do you have some news about him paying all of his or are you just assuming?