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he seems smaller here.

heh - not fighting man. we could have done better in the trade. we reached it would seem on our pick. gonna step back and see what else happens.

it's so ironic.

that's what is key. we sign winston then we used the draft as one way, not the only way, to improve. that's a good thing. move by move analysis gets old.

that sounds so "zone" to me.

yea, i am. we got raped on our trade. i'd not call it trade rape. pretty clear here.

glad you know what you're after.

so who would you have taken at 18? i'm pretty sure they took the best offer on the table. we'll have to see how the rest unfolds.

can't say that unless we know who else was looking at him. we've been whining for a C and we took the best on the board at the low end of a weak "skill" position draft.

we didn't get raped. but yes, we should have gained a higher 3rd or a 6th. but glad you don't run to extremes. you know, like "we got raped on our trade...the trade isn't the problem".

good to know. it was a shocker and i reacted as such. now it's time to learn about the kid and hope he can be the answer at C cause we do need one. i did say NFL.com had him as a #1 center. no one saw this coming so that's how we all react. but i'll wake up eventually tomorrow and learn more...

i guess i'm mad at the value, so i appreciate the response. could we have gotten him w/our 2nd round pick? was anyone else looking at him? could we have gotten S and then C in the 2nd? good points. cmd - we look at the other trades and compare those. not a chart. so far i agree we should have...

on NFL.Com, he was the top rated C. barrett jones was a G per them. no idea what went on behind closed doors. we'll just have to see how this plays out but i also hope we get a T in FA now.

nope. but as a fan i think we need a C. he's a highly rated center. that you could get much later. i think crypen (sp) would have been a better pick and rated higher than frederick. then again, we needed OL and C, and S and any of these would have been for need. i just think this was a reach...

i'm not against him on the team. i like him here as he's a pure C position. we just could have gotten him later and filled the S need as well.

agreed. get elam or cyrpren (sp) and frederick in the 2nd, you filled 2 spots easily. this is just insane.

or the BIG brother of the fast and loud tv show dude.

possibly. if he's at C then we drafted for C needs. we drafted for a need and i thought we didn't do that.

ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Thick-bodied interior lineman with experience at guard and center. Possesses upper body strength to turn his man out of the hole, help one guard in pass pro with one hand. Gets his hands up quickly after the snap, keeps them inside. Also moves his feet well to get angles...

the draft, of which said "don't tweet - we must read the picks!!!" is 15 minutes behind on their own. it's a fucking joke.