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He averaged 3 games a season starting. Definitely ROH contributions right there.

Dude, I come from the DCC. This is child's play in comparison.

:lol I doubt I ever recover from this burn.

I say how about we let the companies decide who in the hell they want to endorse. You know, kinda like free enterprise and stuff.

Carry on, then. You are doing a fine job... ... of looking like an idiot.

Not even close.

Okay, then argue that it's flawed. Don't be silly and argue that a special teams guy belongs in.

He hit people a lot. He tried hard. He was a good cheerleader. Enough to get him into the most elite ring on the most (at one point) elite franchise in NFL history? No.

I can't believe you would even say Woody and Cliff while discussing Bates. They were 10 times the safety he was.

Oh, I left out an L. Great catch. And, yes, it would bother me if they put him in the ROH.

And look at how many on that list are in the ROH. Let me help you with that... 1.

Roger Staubach Randy White Michael Irvin Troy Aikman Emmitt Smith Bob Lily Larry Allen Lee Roy Jordan I can name the rest of the ROH of you would like.

You keep saying that, but that doesn't buy him a ticket into the ROH. Tony Hill is is top 5, IMO, and he's not in, and he contributed a helluva lot more than Bates did.

Boy, he barely made the list.

So, put all 10 of them in then. This is crazy talk.

He is in the top 10 because he DID play special teams. He was an average safety at best.

Hell, I would put Tony Hill in before I would Bill Bates. Yeah, I said it.

So, you would have a career special teamer in the ROH. Talk about nuts. Listen, I loved watching him play, too. Plus, his path to get there was tough, and he made it. That's great, but not ROH worthy.

Wow, you really are committed to this terrible argument.

Oh good lord, I had forgotten about Gant. The Shark Dance!