Watkins: Mel Kiper sees Kenny Vaccaro slipping to Cowboys

[dbair1967]

If they use a first round pick on a safety, he damn sure better be a turnover machine. Vaccaro is not.

But couldn't some of that equate to how he's used? I mean if you are a FS and you spend most of your time on passing downs lining up in the slot and playing man to man, there isn't a lot of opportunities for picks the way you'd expect a ballhawking FS who sits back in the middle of the field, ala Ed Reed or a guy like Baccarri Rambo at Georgia has done.

 

[dbair1967]

They have watched him play?

doubtful

 

[jnday]

But couldn't some of that equate to how he's used? I mean if you are a FS and you spend most of your time on passing downs lining up in the slot and playing man to man, there isn't a lot of opportunities for picks the way you'd expect a ballhawking FS who sits back in the middle of the field, ala Ed Reed or a guy like Baccarri Rambo at Georgia has done.

I am sure that the way he is used could explain his lack of turnovers, but some of these other safety prospects have shown a knack for turnovers. Vaccaro hasn't and it causes doubt that he has the ability. My father said it best when he said that some games he didn't realize he was on the field.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I'm not sure I understand why so many seem to NOT want Vacarro. I haven't watched him play enough to make an educated opin on him one way or another, but if the stuff written about him is accurate he would seem to be a good fit at a position we've struggled with for years.

Because I think there are better options for Safety in rounds 2-3.

Somebody said it best: you have to LOVE Vacarro at #18, not like him.

I'd rather have Eric Ried in the 2nd.

 

[dbair1967]

I'd rather have Eric Ried in the 2nd.

The problem with that is its looking more and more like he wont be there at our pick in the 2nd

 

[jnday]

The problem with that is its looking more and more like he wont be there at our pick in the 2nd

There will be a good safety on the board to pick in the second. I don't see a big drop off from Vaccaro and the other safeties.

 

[Cowboysrule122]

There will be a good safety on the board to pick in the second. I don't see a big drop off from Vaccaro and the other safeties.

Ayuh, give me Elam or Reid in the second. Add in Cyprien as well.

 

[mdawg65]

Safety to me is not a really valuable pick.

If O-line is there take it.

It's the difference in philosophy on whether you want to be the hammer or the nail. Take a quality o-lineman and start hammerin.

We've wasted too many years on believing we are one player away from the promised land. Picking the showy players instead of building a team. Enough is enough.

 

[iceberg]

The problem with that is its looking more and more like he wont be there at our pick in the 2nd

i never thought he would be. but i also don't see safety as the huge hole our OL is now. i think the 4.3 switch and getting someone who stays with it all season as a D coordinator will do wonders for the staff we have in place. i think kiffen and co will let players do what they're good at, not ask them to do something *they* want to do.

but if we don't fix our OL, tony will keep making bad decisions trying to compensate for a bad OL.

he needs help.

i'm not saying safety isn't a hole, i'm saying the OL and trenches need to be addressed first. get quality there, the rest can rise to the occasion.

 

[jnday]

There will be a good safety on the board to pick in the second. I don't see a big drop off from Vaccaro and the other safeties.

I don't see the big drop off in talent from Vaccaro to these other safeties either. If Vaccaro was more of a ball hawk type of safety, I would feel differently, but he is not. These safeties with second or third round grades are solid prospects. That is all Vaccaro is, solid. I think a first round safety should be quite a bit more than solid. Any first round pick at any position would be a failure if solid is all they offer. A first rounder should be an impact player at their position.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I don't see the big drop off in talent from Vaccaro to these other safeties either. If Vaccaro was more of a ball hawk type of safety, I would feel differently, but he is not. These safeties with second or third round grades are solid prospects. That is all Vaccaro is, solid. I think a first round safety should be quite a bit more than solid. Any first round pick at any position would be a failure if solid is all they offer. A first rounder should be an impact player at their position.

At 18, you have to LOVE the player, not LIKE them; and I see nothing of Vaccaro that is worth loving at 18.

 

[superpunk]

well that isn't true.

Outside of the top 10 you are rarely in LOVE with players. Mostly you're just looking for guys who you hope can solidly contribute and start for 5 years or so.