PFT: Lang says Packers discussed extreme measures on flight home

[Irving Cowboy]

Lang says Packers discussed extreme measures on flight home
Posted by Mike Florio on September 25, 2012, 8:40 PM EDT

The Packers weren’t happy about the outcome of last night’s game against the Seahawks. How happy weren’t they?

Offensive lineman T.J. Lang told 97.1 The Ticket in Detroit on Tuesday that, during the flight home from Seattle, the players discussed the possibility of going on strike — or simply taking a knee on every offensive snap — until the lockout of the officials ends.

“Whatever it takes, it’s just a total embarrassment to everybody watching the game, the players in the game, it’s not fun to be part of something like that,” Lang told the Valenti & Foster show. “If it keeps going on, it’s going to get ugly. . . . Going into a game worrying about the refs more than the other team, it’s a problem. The NFL, the Commissioner, if they don’t take action after last night. . . . That should be the last straw.”

Lang said he regrets using profanity to express himself on Twitter after the game, but that he believes more people should speak up.

“We were furious, man, as soon as we got into the locker room we turned the TVs on, it was just heartbreaking to have the game taken from us like that,” Lang said, confirming that roughly 20 players were throwing things at the monitor. “We put too much effort, blood, sweat and tears into this game to have it taken from us. . . .

“It was kind of embarrassing to be part of it, everybody was furious, a lot of guys are trying to take the high road, but it’s hard to do when there’s that much emotion into one game. To have the win actually stolen from you? It’s frustrating.”

With no indication that the league has any extra urgency to resolve the lockout, maybe the time for extreme measures from the players is coming. Their union has done plenty of talking, but has taken no action. If the time for action hasn’t arrived, it never will.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Despite debacle, NFL remains dug in
Posted by Mike Florio on September 25, 2012, 9:43 PM EDT

The good news in the wake of last night’s very bad news at the end of the Packers-Seahawks game is that the NFL and the locked-out officials spent a fourth straight day negotiating on Tuesday.

The bad news in the wake of last night’s very bad news at the end of the Packers-Seahawks game is that the NFL doesn’t seem to recognize that it has gambled with the use of replacement officials — and it has lost.

Per multiple reports (including one from Peter King of SI.com and one from Nancy Gay of FOXSports.com), the NFL has opted to stand firm on certain key issues.

First, the NFL wants a bench of replacements (they’ll need a better word than that) to serve as in-season understudies for officials who aren’t performing at an acceptable level. King reports that the NFL won’t guarantee that the officials will work at least 15 games.

Second, the pension issue continues to prevent an agreement. The league wants to change from a defined-benefit pension plan to a defined-contribution system. The difference, per King, is roughly $3.3 million per year. The officials don’t believe they should have to tighten belts at a time when the NFL continues to grow fat.

Third, the amount of the raise for the officials remains in dispute. The officials want an eight-percent bump. The NFL has offered an increase of 2.5 percent. Again, the discrepancy comes from the fact that the officials believe that, as the league’s pie grows, their slice of it grows commensurately.

The NFL remains stubborn, oblivious (at least externally) to the fact that the performance of the replacement officials underscores the value of the regular officials, who operate far more efficiently and reliably in the crucible of 60,000 fans and foul-mouthed coaches and big, strong, fast players and millions of eyeballs. The performance of the replacements demonstrates the value of the regulars, and yet the league refuses to relent.

As King explains it, the league wants to “wrest back control of the officials’ performance week to week in an NFL season.” But the ritual of collective bargaining requires a party that wants something to give something. It seems like the NFL wants plenty, and that the NFL likewise isn’t willing to bend.

Sure, a raise has been offered. Why shouldn’t it be? Everybody connected to the NFL is making more and more money. The officials should get more and more, too, especially if the NFL wants to emerge from the talks with new powers.

When it comes to the power the NFL has amassed over player discipline, the league is quick to point out that the NFLPA has sacrificed those rights through collective bargaining. Regardless of whether it makes sense for the league to have a bench of officials, the NFL has in past negotiations allowed the current system to emerge. To change it, the NFL must make real concessions.

But the NFL doesn’t want to make real concessions. The NFL never wants to make real concessions. That’s fine, but the NFL can’t then pretend that everything is fine.

As King writes, “Ihe NFL is willing to look at the dispute as something like a game of chess vs. a game of checkers. The league believes that the short-term pain of a football nation up in arms will be worth it two to four years down the road if they can improve the overall quality of officiating by adding what would be a taxi squad of three additional crews.”

Or the NFL can acquire that right by paying for it. Instead, the NFL is willing to alienate fans, anger players, and tarnish “the shield” in order to get its way, hoping that half of the locked-out officials plus one eventually will vote to take the deal.

The NFL is taking us all for granted. In the end, there’s a good chance the NFL is guessing right. But that doesn’t make it right.

 

[jeebus]

Yea, you get paid based on the job you do, not. Asked on how much money your employer is making. Otherwise McDonald's would t pay minimum wages.

 

[peplaw06]

Yea, you get paid based on the job you do, not. Asked on how much money your employer is making. Otherwise McDonald's would t pay minimum wages.

That's a myopic way of looking at it. Leaves out a whole host of other things that go into your pay.

 

[GloryDaysRBack]

How about you protect your qb you loser

 

[Irving Cowboy]

 

[BangersandMash]

How about you protect your qb you loser

Thank you. If they don't get their manhood handed to them on a silver platter by the Seahawks D-line maybe it doesn't come down to the last play. The offensive line had as much to do with the loss than the refs, if not more.