2016 NFL Draft Thread...

[Doomsday]

If that's what they think why would they draft one next year?

Nobody said they would. That better QB class might be 2-3 years down the road as far as they're concerned.

 

[Doomsday]

He makes it easy to make him look bad.

You can tell yourself that all day. It makes you feel better about being a dumbass dupe.

 

[MrB]

Nobody said they would. That better QB class might be 2-3 years down the road as far as they're concerned.

Wait, didn't you just say they think the better class is next year?

 

[Doomsday]

Wait, didn't you just say they think the better class is next year?

No.

 

[MrB]

Very long highlight video of Bosa, if you have the time watch it all and turn on sound to listen to commentary and analysis.

Other than if the pot stuff is true, I'm not sure how anyone can watch him and not be pretty excited about what he could add to the defense. He makes a shit ton of plays. He may not have explosive pure speed, but his technique is pretty awesome. He makes a lot of these OL look like they are playing on skates because of his hands and leverage. He also gets around the corner a lot because of the great shoulder dip.

[video=youtube;uomZhM_uzqc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uomZhM_uzqc[/video]

You know I wouldn't mind Bosa, but if they do go with Bosa I think they need to go heavy on the DL. After Bosa at 4 I'd go with Billings or the best available DT at 34. Pretty much everything I've read about Bosa says that he's not the caliber edge rusher that Demarcus Ware, Von Miller, or JJ Watt were coming out of college. He's more in the class of someone like Greg Ellis. So with that in mind if they are going to take him at 4 they need to load up on the DL. They already have Crawford, Thornton, Lawrence, and Gregory (if/when he returns). In addition to Bosa I'd like them to add another premier talent to that rotation of guys. Make the DL dominant. That will mak the LB's better and will make the Secondary better.

Then in round 3 go draft CJ Prosise, Kenneth Dixon, or Kenyan Drake.

 

[Doomsday]

You know I wouldn't mind Bosa, but if they do go with Bosa I think they need to go heavy on the DL. After Bosa at 4 I'd go with Billings or the best available DT at 34. Pretty much everything I've read about Bosa says that he's not the caliber edge rusher that Demarcus Ware, Von Miller, or JJ Watt were coming out of college. He's more in the class of someone like Greg Ellis. So with that in mind if they are going to take him at 4 they need to load up on the DL. They already have Crawford, Thornton, Lawrence, and Gregory (if/when he returns). In addition to Bosa I'd like them to add another premier talent to that rotation of guys. Make the DL dominant. That will mak the LB's better and will make the Secondary better.

Then in round 3 go draft CJ Prosise, Kenneth Dixon, or Kenyan Drake.

We absolutely, positively, have to come up with QB pressure - because our secondary sucks ass. That is by far the #1 priority IMO. However I would not be against taking Zeke at #4, but I think it is possible he will still be there when our second round pick comes.

I'd love it if they took Wentz at #4, although it addresses no immediate need. To take Wentz at #4 it is either admitting they are in trouble at QB orrrrr, means they don't mind using that pick as insurance. Who uses a #4 pick, as insurance against injury?

I think Bosa is most likely for #4.

 

[MrB]

We absolutely, positively, have to come up with QB pressure - because our secondary sucks ass. That is by far the #1 priority IMO. However I would not be against taking Zeke at #4, but I think it is possible he will still be there when our second round pick comes.

I'd love it if they took Wentz at #4, although it addresses no immediate need. To take Wentz at #4 it is either admitting they are in trouble at QB orrrrr, means they don't mind using that pick as insurance. Who uses a #4 pick, as insurance against injury?

I think Bosa is most likely for #4.

Spending a premium pick on a QB is insurance against a decade of Drew Henson's, Hutchinson's, and Anthony Wright's. It would open up that 2 year window by at least 10 years.

We agree 100% on needing a pass rush though. Also about Zeke. There is no way in hell he makes it to pick 34 though. I still think that Elliott would make the biggest immediate impact over any player in this draft.

 

[dbair1967]

Which part? They they think they're good with Tony, or that they think there's a better class coming? Both of which, I have read here.

The part about future draft classes being better for QB. I haven't seen that from anywhere, in fact most that address it seems to think the upcoming QB crops are lame at best.

I will amend the bet to be, NO QB at #4 regardless of who is available. This is how much I think they won't do it. I am confident. Are you?

Might depend on who it is and how they have the QB's rated. Also might depend on who else is available (what if they have Ramsey rated the #1 player on their board, and he is available at 4?). I don't think its a given we make our 1st pick at #4 either.

Not at all.

Reasonably sure you did, seem to recall you saying over and over again they lucked into those OL and never intended to draft them or build an OL.

Making you jump through my hoop. Way too easy though, cheap laugh in fact.

uh huh...right dude

What you have said is you think they will. Not that you hope.

I have? Where? I have no idea what they will do. I have been pretty consistent that I do like Wentz for us though and think he'd be a great pick.

Because you're a dumbass. But you won't make the bet even as amended, because above all you're a coward.

...ok doomstile

 

[dbair1967]

Nobody said they would. That better QB class might be 2-3 years down the road as far as they're concerned.

You said the Cowboys feel like there are better QB classes upcoming and said you read it somewhere. Other than you posted it yourself, where has this been said?

The only comments I've seen from the so called draft pundits make it sound like upcoming QB drafts are slim pickins.

 

[dbair1967]

That is by far the #1 priority IMO. However I would not be against taking Zeke at #4, but I think it is possible he will still be there when our second round pick comes.

I guess stranger shit has happened, but there's about as close to a zero % chance of this happening as is possible. This kid is going really early, unless some Lael Collins type stuff comes out in the next few days or weeks.

I'd love it if they took Wentz at #4, although it addresses no immediate need. To take Wentz at #4 it is either admitting they are in trouble at QB orrrrr, means they don't mind using that pick as insurance. Who uses a #4 pick, as insurance against injury?

Everyone assumes it doesn't, but Tony is a good bet to miss games every year now and is definitely not a sure thing to last as long as drunk Jerry suggests. Therefore, whomever we pick (whether its Wentz, Goff, Lynch, Cook) is likely to see the field pretty early in their career here IMO.

I think Bosa is most likely for #4.

Would be a good add and improve not only the DL but the defense as a whole. You can also move him all over the front 4.

 

[Doomsday]

Might depend on who it is and how they have the QB's rated. Also might depend on who else is available (what if they have Ramsey rated the #1 player on their board, and he is available at 4?). I don't think its a given we make our 1st pick at #4 either.

You're taking the bet, or not. It's a simple bet. You either believe they take a QB at #4 if the one they want is there, or you don't.

I have? Where? I have no idea what they will do.

You have your prediction as your signature. You have been saying you think they will take Wentz.

Spending a premium pick on a QB is insurance against a decade of Drew Henson's, Hutchinson's, and Anthony Wright's.

You see that, I see that, most every fan sees that, but I don't give Jerruh and his idiot collection any chance of seeing that.

We agree 100% on needing a pass rush though. Also about Zeke. There is no way in hell he makes it to pick 34 though. I still think that Elliott would make the biggest immediate impact over any player in this draft.

I have a hard time seeing anyone taking Zeke in the top 5 or even the top ten. I think he's worth it though and I also agree, I think he would be a immediate difference maker. Probably the best all-around skills back to come out of college in years, he is the complete package with blocking ability, pass catching, and nifty running. I would not object if we took him at 4 though, it would just be a pleasant surprise.

The part about future draft classes being better for QB. I haven't seen that from anywhere, in fact most that address it seems to think the upcoming QB crops are lame at best.

I'm not sure if this was a quote from garrett at the Senior Bowl, or what. But I do know it was said, somewhere.

Everyone assumes it doesn't, but Tony is a good bet to miss games every year now and is definitely not a sure thing to last as long as drunk Jerry suggests.

But, are they ready to admit that? Which is what they would be doing if they take a QB at 4. If you pick a QB in the top five, he is your guy.

 

[onlyonenow]

I have a hard time seeing Doomsday as being anywhere close to knowing what is going on with the boys thoughts on the draft.

 

[Doomsday]

I have a hard time seeing Doomsday as being anywhere close to knowing what is going on with the boys thoughts on the draft.

But I am confident I know what won't be going on with it. Just like the RB deal last year. I said they wouldn't draft one at all, but if so it would be only in the late rounds. And they didn't draft one. At all.

This time my contention is they won't be drafting a QB at #4 no matter who is available. I think that's a pretty safe bet and a reasonable position to have.

 

[onlyonenow]

But I am confident I know what won't be going on with it. Just like the RB deal last year. I said they wouldn't draft one at all, but if so it would be only in the late rounds. And they didn't draft one. At all.

This time my contention is they won't be drafting a QB at #4 no matter who is available. I think that's a pretty safe bet and a reasonable position to have.

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[Doomsday]

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We all have our wish lists and our favorites. Most of us all agree Zeke would be a nice addition - immediate dangerous back who can run, catch passes and block. A QB at #4 would be a welcome nod to the future. But what's really NEEDED, I think most of us agree - is some DL help. We need a PASS RUSH or you're still looking at 8-8 no matter how great the offense is.

 

[dbair1967]

But I am confident I know what won't be going on with it. Just like the RB deal last year. I said they wouldn't draft one at all, but if so it would be only in the late rounds. And they didn't draft one. At all.

So draft genius, which RB could they have taken early while still trying to adhere to best available player? And define "early"

They never had a chance to pick Gurley or Gordon (both gone by pick 15)

They could have picked TJ Yeldon at 26 (instead of early 2nd rd where he went to Jacksonville) but that would have been a reach, and they claimed Jones was the highest rated player on their board that wasn't Randy Gregory.

In the 2nd rd, Randy Gregory was there at 60, a player they said they had rated as a top-10 guy but didn't take in round one because of obvious off field concerns. Reports are they would have taken RB Tevin Coleman (who went 73rd) had Gregory not been available.

Then there were reports they wanted to draft David Johnson with their 3rd rd pick at 91, but he went at 86 to the Cardinals.

Jeremy Langford, Buck Allen and Mike Davis all got picked in the 4th rd before we selected at 127

In the 5th rd we passed on Cameron Artis Payne (late 5th) and Josh Robinson (who went late 6th, we didn't have a 6th rd pick)

So other than reaching for someone, what could they have done?

 

[dbair1967]

You're taking the bet, or not. It's a simple bet. You either believe they take a QB at #4 if the one they want is there, or you don't.

I've said I hope they take one early. If its 4 so be it. If they move down a few spots and take one good. If they take one at 34 or move back up into late 1st, good. "Betting" on it is stupid on my part, as I have no idea if they like these guys or not. All I can say for any certainty is they seem to be doing an extreme amount of due diligence on the top QB prospects.

You have your prediction as your signature. You have been saying you think they will take Wentz.

That's a wish not a prediction, there's a difference. It'd be a great move if it happens but taking Goff there, or ending up with Lynch or even Connor Cook later can work too.

 

[onlyonenow]

We all have our wish lists and our favorites. Most of us all agree Zeke would be a nice addition - immediate dangerous back who can run, catch passes and block. A QB at #4 would be a welcome nod to the future. But what's really NEEDED, I think most of us agree - is some DL help. We need a PASS RUSH or you're still looking at 8-8 no matter how great the offense is.

the best pass rusher is Bosa and he is Greg Ellis. Dumb to over draft.

 

[Scot]

How could we possibly fuck up the fourth overall pick?

I know it's a stupid question, we (the Cowboys front office) can fuck it up in any number of ways.

But as I see it at #4 pretty much anyone that they would actually pick would be satisfactory for me.

If they take any of the top 3 QBs I'm happy.

(Of course there is always the chance that we take the next Ryan Leaf over the the next Peyton Manning. But there is no way to tell that ahead of time. )

If they take a RB such as Elliott I'm happy

If the go Defense and get a stud like Bosa I'm happy

Unless something goes way way off the rails with the #4 pick I think we will be in a better position and the team will be better for it and that player will be an impact player. It might not be immediate but he will make an impact either this season or next (if it's a QB)

So I'm not so worried about the #4 overall

I'm more worried about us fucking up the 2nd and 3rd round picks

What say you?


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[MrB]

We all have our wish lists and our favorites. Most of us all agree Zeke would be a nice addition - immediate dangerous back who can run, catch passes and block. A QB at #4 would be a welcome nod to the future. But what's really NEEDED, I think most of us agree - is some DL help. We need a PASS RUSH or you're still looking at 8-8 no matter how great the offense is.

In all fairness though if they spent all of their draft picks on defense they would still be an 8-8 team (at best) if Romo went down and Kellen Moore is still his primary backup.