Parcells kicks himself for drafting Pat White, picking Long over Ryan

[Bonecrusher#31]

Parcells kicks himself for drafting Pat White, picking Long over Ryan

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 12, 2011, 12:18 PM EDT

Getty ImagesAs Bill Parcells looks back on his time running the Dolphins, he can’t help but second-guess himself over some draft picks gone wrong. And no pick looks worse in hindsight than the decision to take Pat White in the second round of the 2009 draft.

“We violated our principles,” Parcells told Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, in reference to picking White. “He just wasn’t a prototypical quarterback pick. He was a great college player, and we let that color our judgment.”

Parcells thought White had the potential to be a game-changing player in the wildcat offense, but looking back on it, he thinks the Dolphins should have been looking for a pro-style passer, not an all-purpose athlete.

And the best pro-style passer to enter the league in the three years that Parcells was running the Dolphins’ war room, Matt Ryan, is one player Parcells wishes he would have drafted. Asked if the Dolphins should he have picked Ryan instead of offensive tackle Jake Long in 2008, Parcells said, “maybe, we should have.”

Although Long has turned into a fine tackle, there’s no “maybe” about it: If the Dolphins had taken Ryan first overall, they’d be a franchise in much better shape right now

 

[Cr122]

Can you get the heading in bigger bold letters, I can't see it.

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

He made plenty of draft f ups here.

So many that he would be kicking himself for the rest of his years..

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Can you get the heading in bigger bold letters, I can't see it.

Take off the shades old man lol

 

[Midswat]

When you look at his Miami drafts, and his Cowboys drafts, and the fact he didn't have much say in the Giants drafts... well, lets just say there's a reason the Patriots didn't want him to "pick the groceries."

 

[sbk92]

The draft makes fools of us all. I can give you a list of retarded selections from anybody who ever ran an NFL war room long enough.

Pat White. Major mistake. Long over Ryan? Mistake....but hard to lament getting one of the top Ts in the game. His Carpenter pick here was much worse than that.

 

[sbk92]

I always tied Chad Henne into that move. If Henne pans out, then it was the right move taking Long. If Henne doesn't, then obviously you missed out on a franchise QB. An elite T is great, but it's not a franchise QB.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

And didnt the Chiefs take Glen Dorsey over Matt Ryan

Parcells era brought us our only good players besides Dez and Free

 

[Cythim]

I can't call picking Long over Ryan a mistake. Most mocks had Long going 1 or 2 and Ryan going between 3 and 8. I would shy away from the QB and go after the safe bet franchise LT as well. Ryan is a good QB but he wasn't Peyton Manning when he was being drafted.

 

[Midswat]

And didnt the Chiefs take Glen Dorsey over Matt Ryan

No. Ryan was 3, Dorsey 5.

 

[dbair1967]

The draft makes fools of us all. I can give you a list of retarded selections from anybody who ever ran an NFL war room long enough.

Pat White. Major mistake. Long over Ryan? Mistake....but hard to lament getting one of the top Ts in the game. His Carpenter pick here was much worse than that.

Long is a good player, but it was a stupid decision. If you dont have a franchise QB (or even an above average one) and pass on the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, thats a poor decision.

The Carpenter pick was terrible, but Carpenter wasnt the 1st pick of a draft, and we didnt pass over a franchise QB to take him. As bad as Carpenter was, the picks of Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers were worse.

 

[dbair1967]

And didnt the Chiefs take Glen Dorsey over Matt Ryan

Parcells era brought us our only good players besides Dez and Free

Felix Jones is a good player. Mike Jenkins made a probowl after an outstanding 2009 season. Scandrick is a good role player. Nick Folk was a great kicker for two years, the injury ruined him. Anthony Spencer at times has been good to even outstanding (2nd half of the 2009 season in particular). Sean Lee is going to be a very good player.

 

[sbk92]

Long is a good player, but it was a stupid decision. If you dont have a franchise QB (or even an above average one) and pass on the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, thats a poor decision.

The Carpenter pick was terrible, but Carpenter wasnt the 1st pick of a draft, and we didnt pass over a franchise QB to take him. As bad as Carpenter was, the picks of Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers were worse.

Yeah, I pretty much disagree with everything you said.

Other than, you make some great points.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, I pretty much disagree with everything you said.

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Of course you do. Dont let the facts get in the way of being a dipshit on this subject though. Hell even Parcells himself is saying he made a mistake on it.

As for Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers. Parcells ignored the scouts opinions on both and drafted them anyway, even though both had major medical question marks. Both flamed out as players. Even more stupid with the Al Johnson situation is we passed on Jason Witten to take him, and he was the higher rated player on the draft board. Fortunately we got one of the luckiest breaks ever and was able to get Witten with our next pick.

 

[Cr122]

Just remember something, Parcells and Jerry were part of those picks just like he'll be with Jason in this draft.

Sure they're going to have their differences, but in the end Jerry gets the final word. Just think about that.

 

[Plymkr]

What's this? The MESSIAH of all football gods actually "admits" to making a mistake? Wow, Pinch me.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Obviously Parcells was infinitely better than Jerry and Lacewell when it came to personnel. Of course, most people with a heartbeat would've been. But he made more than his share of terrible picks. Not being able to draft OL for one is still hurting us. And some of those Dolphins drafts were absolutely awful, and there's no hindsight involved there, Pat White was a jaw-dropper at the time.

Granted BP was like a messiah compared to what we had prior to his arrival, but there's far better personnel men out there.

 

[Midswat]

Obviously Parcells was infinitely better than Jerry and Lacewell when it came to personnel. Of course, most people with a heartbeat would've been. But he made more than his share of terrible picks. Not being able to draft OL for one is still hurting us. And some of those Dolphins drafts were absolutely awful, and there's no hindsight involved there, Pat White was a jaw-dropper at the time.

Granted BP was like a messiah compared to what we had prior to his arrival, but there's far better personnel men out there.

Spot on.

 

[sbk92]

Of course you do. Dont let the facts get in the way of being a dipshit on this subject though. Hell even Parcells himself is saying he made a mistake on it.

You're one to talk about facts. Some moron who defends a proven failure like Jerry Jones.

He said "maybe we should have" when asked about taking Ryan instead of Long.

That's hardly a concession that it was the wrong decision.

Care to review Bill's drafting record as opposed to Jerry's?

As for Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers. Parcells ignored the scouts opinions on both and drafted them anyway, even though both had major medical question marks. Both flamed out as players. Even more stupid with the Al Johnson situation is we passed on Jason Witten to take him, and he was the higher rated player on the draft board. Fortunately we got one of the luckiest breaks ever and was able to get Witten with our next pick.

I had no idea you knew our scouts' opinions. Tell me more on that. And is this just a one year thing or do you have that info on all years?

Jacob Rogers had the talent to play in the league. Bobby Carpenter doesn't. Rogers was a 2nd round pick. Carpenter a 1st. There's no comparing the two selections.

 

[sbk92]

Just remember something, Parcells and Jerry were part of those picks just like he'll be with Jason in this draft.

Sure they're going to have their differences, but in the end Jerry gets the final word. Just think about that.

Since Jimmy left, nobody has ever dictated draft selections to Jerry Jones and acted as their own GM.

Now of course Jerry listened to Bill for the most part. As evidenced by the team immediately turning itself around. But Parcells did not act as his own GM here. That's a completely idiotic statement made by a homer who wants to convince someone that Jerry has changed.

The same simpleton who says the hiring of Wade Phillips was proof of that change. That is retarded on so many levels.