Obama moving the goal posts on sequester deal

[JBond]

Maybe this is why Obama felt the need to threaten Woodward. Call out a bully on his bullshit and it makes them mad. I have never seen so much hand wringing over chump change. A cut of 48 billion is nothing. A drop in the bucket. Obama wanted the sequester and now he is going to get it. Why the hell is he crying like a bitch about it? We spend $4 billion a day. Hell, just stop paying employees for all the federal holidays and we would cover that amount of the sequester.

http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20...g-the-goal-posts-on-sequester-deal#full_story

the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government. Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved.

 

[superpunk]

It seems like the White House initiated the talks on cuts so they could get this done and Obama wouldn't have to deal with it in an election year.

Boehner and Co. agreed to it because they assumed Obama was a one-term president, and once they got rid of him they could just get the new guy to kill the deal and not cut spending at all.

None of that happened and now noone wants to take the political blame for unpopular cuts.

 

[superpunk]

And you can also argue that this started when Republicans refused to routinely raise the debt ceiling, threatening our credit rating and holding our economy hostage....

it's a chicken-egg thing as to whose "fault" the sequester is.

 

[JBond]

You act like the sequester is bad. It is the first good thing to happen under Obama rule. Again, they are talking about chump change, not real money or reform. For decades I have listened to clueless twits scold successful Americans and now the same lame bureaucrats want more, more, more of other peoples money. The greed of the democrat party has no bounds. If they knew how to generate revenue they would have done so. They are clueless. All they know is how to take from others. Actually growing the pie and taking the same percentage slice is beyond their intellectual capabilities. Spending to oblivion is the democrat answer. Great plan. Very original.

 

[Sheik]

Get avatar or gtfo.

 

[superpunk]

I didn't say it was good or bad, but neither party seems to want to be associated with it.

What democrats wanted was cuts AND tax increases. Republicans held the economy hostage, and said no tax increases. The sequester was the "compromise".

 

[dbair1967]

I didn't say it was good or bad, but neither party seems to want to be associated with it.

What democrats wanted was cuts AND tax increases. Republicans held the economy hostage, and said no tax increases. The sequester was the "compromise".

Uh huh.

 

[JBond]

I didn't say it was good or bad, but neither party seems to want to be associated with it.

What democrats wanted was cuts AND tax increases. Republicans held the economy hostage, and said no tax increases. The sequester was the "compromise".

um...they got their tax increase. In fact they have had a ton of tax increases. Do not let greed consume you. If you do not mind sharing, which programs has Obama and his ilk offered to cut? By how much? Was it a real cut or just a cut in the rate of increase? Curious minds want to know.

 

[superpunk]

You're welcome.

Neither side is doing enough on cuts because they're scared of losing political capital. But I would argue that the democrats approach of cuts plus tax increases is the more responsible approach.

 

[JBond]

Really? . So your premise is that Obama is spending less based on propaganda only a child would believe? Look again spunk. Look at the numbers, not propaganda.

2,507,793 - 2008
3,000,661 - 2009
2,901,531 - 2010
3,104,455 - 2011
3,290,381 - 2012

Correction: The above numbers were the"On Budget numbers"

Total outlays:

2,982,544 - 2008
3,517,677 - 2009
3,456,213 - 2010
3,603,061 - 2011
3,795,547 - 2012

 

[63echo]

Hell, just stop paying employees for all the federal holidays and we would cover that amount of the sequester.

My agency's plan for dealing with sequestration is cutting my pay by 40% (that's FORTY) and now you don't want to pay when I'm out there working on Christmas? I can think of better ways of dealing with this than by crippling your fucking employees.

 

[dbair1967]

Liberals have no concept of:

1) truth/facts
2) money (when applied to others)
3) economy in general

 

[superpunk]

Really? . So your premise is that Obama is spending less based on propaganda only a child would believe? Look again spunk. Look at the numbers, not propaganda.

2,507,793 - 2008
3,000,661 - 2009
2,901,531 - 2010
3,104,455 - 2011
3,290,381 - 2012

Correction: The above numbers were the"On Budget numbers"

Total outlays:

2,982,544 - 2008
3,517,677 - 2009
3,456,213 - 2010
3,603,061 - 2011
3,795,547 - 2012

The deficit has gone down under Obama. Enjoy the facts.

 

[dbair1967]

The deficit has gone down under Obama. Enjoy the facts.

Huh?

 

[JBond]

My agency's plan for dealing with sequestration is cutting my pay by 40% (that's FORTY) and now you don't want to pay when I'm out there working on Christmas? I can think of better ways of dealing with this than by crippling your fucking employees.

What do you do? Whatever it is I guess Obama has no use for it because they are only cutting a total of 84 billion and most of that is not even real cuts. 48 billion is real and the rest is a cut in the rate of increase, not a real cut. When you start paying for your own retirement plan and your own health care then we can talk. Remember you are being paid using others income. You are taking my money for yourself and I still have to pay for my own health care and retirement. Please point me to a reputable news article that shows your department (whatever invaluable department that is) is being forced to take a 40% pay cut....I'll wait.

 

[dbair1967]

The deficit has gone down under Obama. Enjoy the facts.

2008- 459 billion
2009 (Obama goes in office, dems have control of senate and congress)- 1.4 TRILLION
2010- 1.3 TRILLION
2011- 1.3 TRILLION
2012- 1.1 TRILLION
2013 (estimated) 900 billion

 

[JBond]

Huh?

It the drugs. He can't help it. He really believes that shit.

Federal Surplus or Deficit (-)

-458,553 - 2008
-1,412,688 - 2009
-1,293,489 - 2010
-1,299,595 - 2011
-1,326,948 - 2012

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

 

[peplaw06]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/spending-cuts-fact-fiction-half-truths-tomorrow-budget-122914909.html

Fear mongering.

 

[superpunk]

2008- 459 billion
2009 (Obama goes in office, dems have control of senate and congress)- 1.4 TRILLION
2010- 1.3 TRILLION
2011- 1.3 TRILLION
2012- 1.1 TRILLION
2013 (estimated) 900 billion

It the drugs. He can't help it. He really believes that shit.

Federal Surplus or Deficit (-)

-458,553 - 2008
-1,412,688 - 2009
-1,293,489 - 2010
-1,299,595 - 2011
-1,326,948 - 2012

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

Are you two really this dumb or do you not realize that you just made my point?

 

[JBond]

There really is not any debate to be had. Spunk is dead wrong and we can all see it. In a spunky world more is less. Wierd stuff indeed. It gets to the heart of the matter. Dems have trouble with math. It explains a lot.


12/31/2008 BUSH $10,699,804,864,612

12/31/2012 OBAMA $16,432,730,050,569