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IRVING — Eli Manning is set to host “Saturday Night Live” this weekend. Wouldn't it be fitting if that princess of pessimism, Debbie Downer, made a special appearance to remind him that his days of dominating the Cowboys could be over?

I say remind because I'm pretty sure the Giants quarterback realized last week that Dallas is finally serious about improving its defense.

What else could he conclude after watching the Cowboys trade up eight spots in the first round to select Morris Claiborne?

Fans should applaud Jerry Jones' bold move. In the LSU cornerback, Dallas bagged the draft's top defensive player. With Claiborne starting opposite free-agent signee Brandon Carr, the Cowboys are finally equipped to deal with a division that boasts quarterbacks such as Manning, Michael Vick and Robert Griffin III and receivers such as Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Santana Moss and Pierre Garcon.

“The receivers we have to cover are outstanding, and the passing games we have to face are outstanding,” Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said. “There are very few weeks we go into a ballgame saying of our opponent, ‘Those guys don't throw it very well.' They all throw it well, and you need really good cover guys.”

Dallas could have one of the best in Claiborne.

Jones was convinced after watching the Giants' defensive line harass Tom Brady in the Super Bowl that he had to find a pass rusher in the draft to pair opposite DeMarcus Ware. Only one problem: There weren't any elite pressure players available.

But there was an elite cornerback.

In the days leading up to the draft, the Cowboys discussed whether they should trade up from the 14th pick. Everyone at Valley Ranch agreed there was only one defender that would justify taking such a risk: Claiborne.

Then on Thursday afternoon, Dallas got lucky. The Rams, owners of the No. 6 spot, called to say they were willing to swap spots in the first round and would only ask for the Cowboys' second-round pick.

Some argue Dallas should have stuck with No. 14 and selected, say, LSU defensive end Michael Brockers, then grabbed another starter in the second round.

But that's short-sighted thinking. Claiborne is a difference-maker at a premium position. Brockers' future seems bright, but he's not an elite player at a crucial spot. Pair Brockers with Ware, and the Cowboys' defense is only a step above ordinary. Couple Claiborne with Ware, and you've got a much-improved unit with linchpin players at two key positions.

And then there's this: Jones revealed that had the trade not been made, Dallas would have taken Utah State inside linebacker Bobby Wagner in the second round. That's hardly a move that would have bothered Manning, who in sweeping the Cowboys last season passed for more than 700 yards with five touchdowns and only one interception.

“The great teams in this league play really good pass defense,” Garrett said. “And a lot of that comes from pass rush but also guys being really good at the back end. And we feel like adding a guy like (Claiborne), this elite kind of player, at one of those premium positions, was the right thing for us to do.”

Manning won't be thinking about any of this Saturday night while performing with Kristen Wiig, Jason Sudeikis and Andy Samberg. But on a Wednesday night in September? On another big stage? With Claiborne taking away half the field?

It could be a real downer for Manning.



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Jerome Henderson will be a big downer for Eli too. He'll have the secondary actually looking back for the ball.
 

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Can anyone name the starting defensive backs for these super bowl winners

XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix StadiumNew York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 (woodson-harris)
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17
 

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Can anyone name the starting defensive backs for these super bowl winners

XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix StadiumNew York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 (woodson-harris)
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17

No but I bet they played the ball.
 

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Not really. With no pass rush, he'll still have all day to survey the field and pick us apart. Even elite corners can't cover forever.
 

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There is no doubt they will be a significant upgrade, but our lack of pass rush with fail us again.
Not really. With no pass rush, he'll still have all day to survey the field and pick us apart. Even elite corners can't cover forever.
 
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Not really. With no pass rush, he'll still have all day to survey the field and pick us apart. Even elite corners can't cover forever.

I mentioned before how we should've lost @ Washington b/c they got a 20 yard catch and run by a FB.

NTM the catch and run factor by Cruz/nicks
 

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Can anyone name the starting defensive backs for these super bowl winners

XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix StadiumNew York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 (woodson-harris)
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17

thats a bad analogy.

All those teams used resources in there secondary and alot of them went into free agency for them. They had very well coached secondaries that played in unison with the rest of the defense.

there are lots of great players in those secondaries and pretty much everyone got them by throwing alot of resources at them.

I know what your getting at but I think the only team on that list that had a pretty average group in the secondary was the colts in 06 and even at that its an extremely poor analogy. IF you will recall the 06 colts got a pretty poor postseason from Peyton manning but it was there secondary that made a bunch of plays in the playoffs to help them win games...I think peyton was picked off 4 times if I remember correctly on that run in the playoffs.....I can remember ty law picking him off and scoring in kc in the wild card round and then baltimore also...
 

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There is no doubt they will be a significant upgrade, but our lack of pass rush with fail us again.

question- if a coach wants to have an ultra aggressive blitz happy scheme, but in any particular year doesnt have the DB's he feels confident enough in to leave them alone constantly in coverage, would that result in less blitzing, less "numbers" used in the blitz and probably some less creative blitzing?

point being, he's got a loaded CB situation now...just because we dont have DeMarcus Ware-lite opposite Ware, doesnt mean we wont be able to generate an y pass rush.
 

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Can anyone name the starting defensive backs for these super bowl winners

XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix StadiumNew York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 (woodson-harris)
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17

I can probably name alot of them
 

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There is no doubt they will be a significant upgrade, but our lack of pass rush with fail us again.

Im not the biggest spencer fan but even with the injuries we ended up having all year and the poor corner play werent we like in the top 10 or 12 of sacks and pressures?
 
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I'm just glad we don't have to see Newman in the secondary.

Seeing Carr and Claiborne at least gives me hope this year.
 

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I understand what you are saying and my theory of its all or nothing is not entirely accurate. Pass rush vs Secondary. I do firmly believe that a very good pass rush can overcome a weaker seondary. I don't think that works the other way as much.
The way the NFL is set up for receivers. I Don't care who is gaurding you. If the QB has time. He will find the guy.
thats a bad analogy.

All those teams used resources in there secondary and alot of them went into free agency for them. They had very well coached secondaries that played in unison with the rest of the defense.

there are lots of great players in those secondaries and pretty much everyone got them by throwing alot of resources at them.

I know what your getting at but I think the only team on that list that had a pretty average group in the secondary was the colts in 06 and even at that its an extremely poor analogy. IF you will recall the 06 colts got a pretty poor postseason from Peyton manning but it was there secondary that made a bunch of plays in the playoffs to help them win games...I think peyton was picked off 4 times if I remember correctly on that run in the playoffs.....I can remember ty law picking him off and scoring in kc in the wild card round and then baltimore also...
 
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Can anyone name the starting defensive backs for these super bowl winners

XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix StadiumNew York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 (woodson-harris)
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17

The short list includes... Troy Polamalu (x2), Charles Woodson, Darren Sharper, Bob Sanders, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, and Tracy Porter who returned a Manning pass for the game clinching TD.
 

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I could be wrong but Polamulo, Sharper, bod Sanders are not DB's.

I already named Woodson also.

So you named 3 DB's in the last 8 years.

And you made my point for me. The one you named are not stars at all.

Thanks for the help

The short list includes... Troy Polamalu (x2), Charles Woodson, Darren Sharper, Bob Sanders, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, and Tracy Porter who returned a Manning pass for the game clinching TD.
 

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Just put an asterik next to the hall of famers, all pros and probowl ones you mention.

there were a number of outstanding secondary players on those teams.
New england 04 - Ty Law, asante samuel, Rodney harrison, tyrone poole
Pittsburgh 05 - Troy Polamalu, deshea townsend, ike taylor, chris hope
Indy 06- Bob Sanders, Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Nick harper, antoine bethea
Ny Giants 07 - Aaron ross, corey webster, sam madison, gibril wilson, Kevin dockery
Pittsburgh 08 - polamalu, ryan clark , townsend, taylor, mcfadden
New Orleans 09 - Jabbari greer, Malcom jenkins, patrick robinson, romah harper
Green Bay 2010 - charles woodson, atari bigby, nick collins, tramon williams, jarrett bush
Ny giants 2011 - 16 dbs on roster in 11 throughout year, antrel rolle, kenny phillips, deion grant, ross, akamura, webster

like i said before really bad analogy. Most of these players were acquired via expensive free agency contracts or valuable draft picks and in almost all cases sans new england these players were put there because the previous year or years the secondaries were poor. The giants, saints and packers had bad defenses that couldnt stop anyone in the year or years before there championship and it was the secondary where the front offices threw numbers at......like the giants, big time free agency money and a number of first and second round corners.
 
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