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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/north-dakota-hard-tell-oil-millionaire-regular-joe-193713808.html

STANLEY, North Dakota (Reuters) - The retired men shooting the breeze at Joyce's Cafe in Stanley don't look like oil barons but appearances can be deceptive, especially in North Dakota.
Take Robert Western, a farmer who was dressed in rumpled overalls and a baseball cap as he sipped coffee and discussed the oil boom that has transformed this once sleepy town.
"Some of the younger people buy a lot more - machinery, vehicles, things like that," said the 75-year-old Western. "The rest of us, I guess it doesn't alter our lifestyle a great deal. I don't have a lot of needs."
After he left, his friend Earl Rogstad remarked to a visitor: "It's too bad Robert didn't have his airplane ready... He offered last summer to fly me over and see (the oil wells) from the air."
Western did not mention that he is co-owner of a Piper single engine propeller plane, according to FAA records. He did admit to receiving oil royalties from wells on his farm but locals said he is far from the richest man in town. It is not clear whether Western is a millionaire or merely wealthy.
"You can't tell the average Joe farmer from the average Joe millionaire," said Ward Heidbreder, Stanley city coordinator.
Average income in Mountrail County, the hub of the North Dakota oil production boom, roughly doubled in five years to $52,027 per person in 2010, ranking it in the richest 100 U.S. counties on that basis including New York City, and Marin, California.
The boom could be creating up to 2,000 millionaires a year in North Dakota, said Bruce Gjovig, founder of the Center for Innovation at the University of North Dakota.
Many oil region residents receive $50,000 or $60,000 a month in oil royalties and some more than $100,000, said David Unkenholz, a senior trust officer at First International Bank & Trust in Watford City, the seat of McKenzie County, which is the No. 2 oil producing county in the state behind Mountrail.
The oil is so plentiful that in Stanley, where the population has about doubled to 3,200 in the last five years, a well drilled under the town means that many homeowners could receive a small oil royalty check.
A lot of North Dakota's new wealthy simply stash the cash in savings and checking accounts with "ridiculously large" balances, banker Unkenholz said.
The monster homes, ostentatious diamond rings or luxury sports cars of California and New York are virtually nonexistent in North Dakota. Looking for wealth here is a subtle exercise.
Locals point to pickup trucks. The boom has boosted truck sales decked out with extras at Stanley's Ford dealer, Prairie Motors Inc, co-owner Gary Evans said.
"They are a lot more elaborate, a lot more loaded up than what they used to be, even the accessories," Evans said. "There is a big demand for accessorizing a pickup truck - everything from running boards to grill guards to chrome wheels."
Evans, 66, a part owner of the dealership since 1970 and manager of the services business, said most residents have not changed their buying habits, especially those over 50.
"Some of these people you could look at and you don't even know if they have an oil well or not, and they may have several," said Evans, who grew up on a family farm west of Stanley and also has some mineral acres.
OIL MATH
One reason rich locals do not brag about their money is because some residents do not own precious mineral rights to the land and have missed out on the boom. Land and mineral rights can be separated and sold in North Dakota and often are.
Royalties are paid based on oil produced and sold mainly in sections of land of one or two square miles in size. The owner of the mineral rights receives the royalties. It can be a complex exercise to divide rights among multiple land heirs.
In simple terms, a well producing 100 barrels of oil per day sold at $80 a barrel would generate $248,000 in a 31-day month. The state collects taxes on extraction and production of about 11.5 percent. From there, if the rights holders have one-fifth royalties, they would receive $43,896 a month.
In July, North Dakota wells produced an average of 92 barrels per day but some produced more than 10,000 barrels in a month, a windfall for the royalty owners.
Some of that money has gone to area churches in the form of anonymous donations and some to the schools for technology, said Heidbreder, the city coordinator.
It's not just land owners who are benefiting from the boom. Oil has also brought high-paying jobs, and some of that money filters through to local businesses.
So-called man camps have sprung up in North Dakota, where oil workers live in makeshift dormitories.
At a man camp in Williston run by workforce housing provider Target Logistics, the 26 kitchen staff, all from outside the state, work 84 hours a week for six straight weeks, then take two weeks off, executive chef Jason Freeman said.
Target Logistics has several man camps in western North Dakota, including a hotel and cabins at Stanley, mainly for energy employees. Its camp in Williston, the largest area town, looks like a military base with room for about 800 workers, a huge cafeteria, weight room, lounge and other facilities.
"This is a thriving economy. This doesn't exist anywhere else," said Freeman, who lives in central Minnesota.
There are downsides to the oil rush. Crime reports are up in Stanley, even if not as much as the population. Aggravated assault reports rose 55 percent last year in the oil producing counties, according to state figures.
Gayleen Grote, who lives on a family farm north of Tioga in the oil patch, said she has a permit to carry a concealed weapon and sometimes puts a semiautomatic pistol in a bra holster.
"There is a lot of testosterone," said Grote, adding that though she has never had to get aggressive, male drivers have stopped several times while she was walking by herself on area roads. "There is nothing to do but drink," she said.
 

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Bob, you're young and single. You really should come here and work. And this goes for any of you other guys, too. This is the place to be right now. There is money to burn up here. And it's not just oilfield jobs that are raking in the dough. Hell, fastfood workers are getting paid about 15 bucks an hour. There is a huge need for workers every where. From Walmart, to the professional services. The hospitals, lawyers, etc... are always putting ads in the paper looking for help. It literally does not matter what your expertise is. There is a job up here for you. This place is growing at a crazy rate.

The one tough thing right now is housing. If anybody were to decide to come here, make sure you line up living arrangements in advance. Or you will be sleeping in your car.

A young guy with nothing holding him down could come up here and work for a couple years. Save, save, save, and go back home with an account full of money. I know a guy from Minnesota that came over here and stayed with a relative. He saved most of his money, went back home after two years, and bought a house IN FULL outside of the cities for about 200,000. Granted, that's an extreme case, since he wasn't paying rent here, but still. It's a completely different country up here. There is no such thing as unemployment, unless you're a lazy bastard who just doesn't want to work.
 

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I would, but I do have something that's holding me down here.

Anyways, know some of the names of those oil companies that I can invest stock in?
 
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I'd love to send my 22-year old son up there, if I knew some schmuck wouldn't talk him out of his money.
 

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I would, but I do have something that's holding me down here.

Anyways, know some of the names of those oil companies that I can invest stock in?

All the big ones are here, and some smaller ones too. Just google oil companies in Williston, ND. Most if not all are publicly traded companies.
 

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When they say oil field jobs are they just talking about fracking jobs?
 

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When they say oil field jobs are they just talking about fracking jobs?

No, that's just a small part of it. It's all inclusive. From drilling to production, and all parts in between. And there are many jobs that support the oilfield, that don't have anything to do with working on the well itself. Oil and water trucking, mechanic work, welders, etc... And there are a bunch of service work jobs that will work on the wells 3rd party. Wireline, hotoil trucks, Vac trucks, lease construction, pipeline, and on and on. Like I said earlier, there are also jobs galore up here that don't have anything to do with the oilfiled. Teachers, construction, policeman, medical, legal, etc... Even the traditional low paying jobs, like fast food and waitressing/bartending are making big bucks. If only because they have to compete with the oilfield to keep employees.
 

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Buddy of mine recently got on with a company up there.

He has a degree in construction management and he's had a hell of a time finding a job.

I don't know how he got the connection but he was offered a job that payed well. Pretty sure he was overseeing the construction of what sounded similar to Nuke Towns. Just house after house after house after house.

I say "was" because after about three weeks he was asked to come in to meet with the boss and after they saw what his qualifications were they wanted to move him up a bit. As he was back home during his time off someone he had recently ran into out of the blue was talking about how there was a need for guys to do exactly what he was doing at a different company but right in the same spot. Guess this acquaintance he ran into was the brother of a guy who was just flush with cash from his time up there. Through this he got a little sit-in with the company.

He went to the interview kind of as a formality because his friend lined it up for him and he's not one to pass up a chance to hear someone out.

He went in there and shot em straight just to be courteous. Said he wasn't really looking for a job but that he knew they had taken the time out of their day to meet with him and he would never turn down an opportunity to make new connections. Told them he just received a promotion that was pretty significant and he had plans on staying with his current company.

The guy just looked at him and said, "Whatever they're paying, we'll match and then some. And we'll provide transportation from the worksite to your home city for your week off on a chartered flight". Guess he goes to ND for 3 weeks and then gets to fly home for a week.

To be honest, I wouldn't believe the story if I hadn't heard it from one of my lifelong friends who happens to be really good friends with this guy. I've known him too for about 10 years but other than a few get togethers throughout the year when everyone is back in town visiting relatives for the holidays, I don't talk to him much.

Almost sounds unreal.

Question NoDak, what area of ND is that?
 
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Question NoDak, what area of ND is that?

Western ND. Williston is about 15 miles from the Montana border, 60 miles south of the Canadian border. Right at the confluence of the Yellowstone and Missouri rivers. Northwest end of lake Sakakawea.
 

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NoDak, you're a machine.

posting at exactly 7:07 am in the same thread two days in a row.
 
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