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Breaking down Anthony Spencer's tag
March, 5, 2012
By Todd Archer

IRVING, Texas -- Now that the Cowboys have placed the franchise tag on outside linebacker Anthony Spencer, let’s look at some other aspects of the tag.

** The $8.8 million is guaranteed once Spencer signs the tender. He could choose to hold off on signing, which is what Ken Hamlin did in 2008, and skip the offseason program, organized team activities and minicamps. But he also runs the risk of the Cowboys rescinding the offer at any point, especially if they use a high draft pick in April. By then teams would not have as much salary-cap room as they would entering free agency.

** The Cowboys can still trade Spencer to another team. If a team wants to sign Spencer to an offer sheet, then they would be required to fork over two first-round draft picks. Remember Joey Galloway’s deal with the Cowboys? But the Cowboys could also swing a trade for different (lower) compensation. In 2006, Atlanta traded for New York Jets’ franchise player, John Abraham, in a three-way deal with Denver that cost the Falcons their first-round pick. In 2001, Aeneas Williams was traded from Arizona to St. Louis for second- and fourth-round picks.

** The Cowboys and Spencer’s agent, Roosevelt Barnes, have until July 16 to reach a deal on a long-term contract, if they want to come to such an arrangement. After July 16, Spencer has to play the season on the $8.8 million tag and the sides can’t sign a new deal until after the season is over.

** For those wondering how this affects the Cowboys’ ability to sign players in free agency, don’t be too worried. They can still do whatever it is they want by moving some money around. The Cowboys were $12.6 million under the cap before the Spencer tag. The Cowboys can create about $8.6 million in space by the already agreed upon reworkings of the deals of Doug Free and Orlando Scandrick. By cutting Terence Newman, they could save either $4 million or $6 million. They can create more room by reworking DeMarcus Ware’s contract, too.
 

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If Spencer signs the tender, can the Cowboys still rescind it or is it now guaranteed and the Cowboys are stuck? Like what if he signs it right before the draft?
 

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And all that re-worked space just gets pushed to the future years.

Wasn't there another team in the NFCE who constantly reworked contracts and pushed cap hits into the future nearly every year?

What team was that?
 

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And all that re-worked space just gets pushed to the future years.

Wasn't there another team in the NFCE who constantly reworked contracts and pushed cap hits into the future nearly every year?

What team was that?

And yet you condone them signing Spencer, a less than great player to a longterm contract just so you can lower the cap charge for 1 season.
 

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I don't like it at all. Mediocre player eating up precious cap dollars.

Makes no sense.
 

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I don't like it at all. Mediocre player eating up precious cap dollars.

Makes no sense.

You would have complained if he hadnt been tagged, and signed elsewhere.

Its what you do.
 

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You would have complained if he hadnt been tagged, and signed elsewhere.

Its what you do.

I want him off my team. So no, I wouldn't have given a shit if he got a job somewhere else. I'd have preferred it.
 

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And yet you condone them signing Spencer, a less than great player to a longterm contract just so you can lower the cap charge for 1 season.

Because "less than great" can get the job done so long as the team quits fucking around and pretending like he's some superhero.

No team has studs at every single position.

Sign him to a cheap long term deal acknowledging he isn't what he was hoped to be and start addressing the other holes on defense.

He's good enough to be a role player and should be paid like one.

Instead, the team is going to shuffle money around and eat up future cap space because they're paying a guy who hasn't earned it.

Oh, and by the way. If the 49ers decided to cut Ahmad Brooks after this year, they'd still pay less than 8.8M in cap space.
 

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Sign him to a cheap long term deal acknowledging he isn't what he was hoped to be and start addressing the other holes on defense.

That sounds like a great plan genius, now go sell that to Spencer and his agent, who just saw a lesser player get a totally different deal.

He's good enough to be a role player and should be paid like one.

Judging by comments from most NFL people, seems alot of teams would have interested alot of interest usually drives up the price

Instead, the team is going to shuffle money around and eat up future cap space because they're paying a guy who hasn't earned it.

You are crying over milk that hasnt been spilt yet.

Oh, and by the way. If the 49ers decided to cut Ahmad Brooks after this year, they'd still pay less than 8.8M in cap space.

Not if the reports of "17.5mils guaranteed" are accurate.
 

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That sounds like a great plan genius, now go sell that to Spencer and his agent, who just saw a lesser player get a totally different deal.

Of course he and his agent would think that. They're both trying to get paid. Furthermore, the "lesser player" argument is crap because Spencer is likely all he ever will be and Brooks is still improving and is currently only slightly behind, if not just as good, as Spencer.

Judging by comments from most NFL people, seems alot of teams would have interested alot of interest usually drives up the price

So let them pay. That's no excuse for overpaying a guy. There's always going to be someone who is willing to pay more, it's not like every over team automatically just accepts that they will have to pay more and does. More often than not, teams just let a guy go if his paycheck is higher than his production warrants.

You are crying over milk that hasnt been spilt yet.

No. I'm responding to the article.

Not if the reports of "17.5mils guaranteed" are accurate.

Here's the thing. Here's how the 49ers have played their hand beautifully. They only fully guaranteed his 7.5M signing bonus and his base salary this year for a total of 8.25M

The other guarantees are various types of guarantees that obviously wouldn't come into play if he were not on the roster.

So, lets say they cut him after 2012 because he bombs. They've already paid 2.25M in cap his so they just have to cover the accelerated 6M in 2013.

But, lets say he blows up and has a good year. Now he's under contract for cap hits that are at 6.65 and 7.5 for the next two years. Meanwhile, they an still cut him at any time and only have to pick up the remaining SB. And those cap hits are tied to his base salaries that are dependent on his sack totals. If he doesn't produce, his base salaries go down by a possible 2.5M in a year.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/3/...ct-more-details-on-the-49ers-complicated-deal

Compare that to the thumb in the ass job that's being put on display here in Dallas.
 
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