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    Quote Originally Posted by yimyammer View Post
    Ah hell nah, ain't that easy bro, you can't go steppin' out and expect to be let right back in the front door!

    I think he should have to do an American Idol like competition with Felix Jones, Darren McFadden, Julius Jones, Troy Hambrick & Derrick Lassic with the winner getting the job

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    Quote Originally Posted by yimyammer View Post
    so who do you want?
    Honestly I don't know. I don't think it matters much as long as Garrett stays HC.

    No QB position coach makes or breaks a franchise anyway.
    This needs to be the final season of Garrett & his staff. The greatest coaches on the planet should be candidates to lead the best org in sports. The days of teams blowing the Cowboys’ doors off in halftime adjustments needs to end. Time for change, new direction and a new voice
    — Ben Rogers (@BenRogers) November 20, 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by icup View Post
    5 Comparisons: Cowboys' Jason Garrett vs Super Bowl head coaches
    By: Donrey Mariñas


    Jason Garrett and his staff have missed the playoffs for the fifth time in his seven seasons as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. There was plenty of speculation by media and fans alike 2017’s failure could be it for the Princeton alumnus. Ultimately the Cowboys front office elected to stand by Garrett for at least one more year, citing the importance of continuity.

    At what point does continuity turn into redundancy? When will enough be enough, and at what point does Jerry Jones need to cut his losses?

    Here’s a look at how the 2016 NFL Coach of the Year stacks up against the 14 coaches who have won their first Super Bowl since after the salary cap was implemented, analyzing age, tenure, resume, roster building and inherited talent.

    Age
    Average age of first championship: 50.5
    Garrett: 51


    Garrett is above the average. While not necessarily a detriment, it should be taken into consideration only six of the 14 are older than Garrett is now.

    Barry Switzer (DAL)
    Dick Vermeil (STL)
    Tom Coughlin (NYG)
    Pete Carroll (SEA)
    Gary Kubiak (DEN)


    Average time for coach to win championship from hire: 4 seasons
    Garrett total HC time with Dallas: 7 seasons


    3 of the 14 first-time winners of Super Bowls were hired prior to the cap era. Of those hired since, five years is the longest amount of time it took any of them to win. The slow pokes were Tony Dungy (IND), Mike McCarthy (GB) and John Harbaugh (BAL).

    The average was four years, with Jon Gruden (TAM) and Kubiak winning it all in their first year at the helm. Looking at this, the data suggests that if Garrett hasn’t figure it out by now, his eighth season, he never will.


    Average experience prior to hire: 12.76 seasons
    Garrett: 6


    At the time Garrett was promoted from offensive coordinator, he had six years of NFL coaching experience; two with the Miami Dolphins as QB coach before coming to Dallas.

    Only Mike Tomlin (PIT) had as little NFL experience as Garrett and has ended up taking home a title.

    Only one coach had less experience when he was hired, Dallas’ Switzer, who was hired with absolutely no NFL locations on his resume.


    Average selections between hire and championship: 24.48
    draft picks made by Cowboys under Garrett: 57


    Most of the time when a new head coach is named it is to turn a team around, and the best way to do that is to draft well. Drafting well should establish a foundation and culture for the team that is in line with the Head Coach’s vision for success.

    This April’s draft will mark the eighth time that Garrett has sat in the HC’s seat in the Cowboys draft day war room. In his tenure he has selected more than double the average amount it took for the winning coaches to form a Championship squad.

    Garrett has made more selections than any of the 14 coaches at the time of their championship win, 10 more picks than the McCarthy, who made 47 before winning his first title. When it came to the average selection per year, the average championship coach made 7.96 selections each year while the former Cowboys QB made an average of 8.14.


    Average number of Pro-Bowl players when hired: 3.6
    Average number of Pro-Bowl players on Championship teams: 5.5
    Pro-Bowl players on roster when Garrett was hired: 6


    Witten, Matt McBriar, DeMarcus Ware, Andre Gurode, Miles Austin, and Jay Ratliff were all named to the 2010 Pro-Bowl the year Dallas finished 6-10 and fired HC Wade Phillips mid-way through the season. The following January, Garrett was officially promoted to full-time coach.

    Since his elevation, Garrett has fielded just two teams which produced as many or more Pro-Bowl players than when he was first hired. In 2014 Dallas had eight Pro Bowlers and in 2016 had six. Only Switzer and the 95 Dallas Cowboys had more Pro-Bwolers with 10 and are the only team in the study that has won a Super Bowl with double-digit Pro-Bowl selections.

    Only Kubiak and Switzer inherited more Pro-Bowlers than Garrett, while Gruden and Brian Billick both had six in their first years as HC.
    Thats really just the tip of the iceberg when comparing that red loser to good coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbair1967 View Post
    David Lee, might be the most overrated coach in Cowboy forum history.

    Thought of like some sort of football God, yet never stays in one place very long and really doesn't have any proven track record of developing anyone.

    But hey, Romo said he did some good things so Zoners be like, he great
    More than Bill Parcels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbair1967 View Post
    Honestly I don't know. I don't think it matters much as long as Garrett stays HC.

    No QB position coach makes or breaks a franchise anyway.
    They just make or break franchise quarterbacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scot View Post
    They just make or break franchise quarterbacks
    Unless you can show me some info to back that up, it's just lip service.

    I am quite sure there are examples of good QB's who didn't have elite QB coaches and some really talented guys who came into the league, had good QB coaches and still didn't pan out.

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    Solari has a good rep as OL coach, IIRC he nearly joined Wade's staff here for us in 2007 but Garrett preferred Hudson Houck.

    Solari was also an assistant under Tom Landry here in the late 80's


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    Its Crapreport so take it with a grain of salt.


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    . Seahawks hired Brian Schottenheimer as OC

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    Cowboy coaching thread

    The Rams go 4-12 last season. They promptly fire Jeff Fisher before the season is even over. They hire the youngest HC in NFL History who takes his team from the worst scoring offense in the NFL to the best all in a single season. Then proceed to make the playoff the in his first year after going 11-6 and look to be a strong contender for years to come

    The Cowboys go 4-12, fire no one, make no changes to the coaching staff, and are told to “trust the process”

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrB View Post
    More than Bill Parcels?
    The Parcells' Tree has produced Belicek and Coughlin, and I believe Saban. Hard to call that overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scot View Post
    The Rams go 4-12 last season. They promptly fire Jeff Fisher before the season is even over. They hire the youngest HC in NFL History who takes his team from the worst scoring offense in the NFL to the best all in a single season. Then proceed to make the playoff the in his first year after going 11-6 and look to be a strong contender for years to come

    The Cowboys go 4-12, fire no one, make no changes to the coaching staff, and are told to “trust the process”
    Remember the San Fran gold miner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZARUS_LOGAN View Post
    The Parcells' Tree has produced Belicek and Coughlin, and I believe Saban. Hard to call that overrated.
    He would have to get some credit for Zimmer and Sean Payton as well.

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    The one thing that is kinda interesting is Parcells has some assistants that have gone on to do quite well, while none of Belichick's assistants went elsewhere and did much.

    The other interesting thing is Parcells never won anything without Belichick, whereas Belichick obviously has won a ton without Parcells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAZARUS_LOGAN View Post
    The Parcells' Tree has produced Belicek and Coughlin, and I believe Saban. Hard to call that overrated.
    Don't forget Payton and, to a lesser extent in terms of success, Sparano and Haley. Saban coached under Bellichick.

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