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#10 Larry Brown.

Sure, it's customary to underestimate Larry Brown's contributions to the Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl years when you look at his two Super Bowl INT's, the ones that were responsible for his MVP award. It's correct to declare that he was given these opportunities due to a devastating pass rush and the guy that was playing his position on the other side of the field.

However, consider this:

How many times in the past 15 years have we witnessed "almost" INT's, watched them slip right out of the hands of faster, more talented CB's than this former #12 draft pick? This was the biggest stage in the game and he caught them.

And make no mistake about it, they were absolute game changers. The Cowboys had to have them both. They each represented 14 points swings at about the most critical points of the game.

The first one was a throw from the Steeler 48 yard line with the Cowboys ahead 13-7. Brown ran it back to the 18 yard line where Irvin promptly caught a 17 yard pass to the 1 yard line (Something he had been doing all season long to his frustration) where Emmitt then ran it in for a TD.

The 2nd INT won the game for the Cowboys at a time when the momentum had completely shifted.

The Cowboys next two possession were a three and out and a four and out when the Steelers scored two consecutive drives for 10 points after surprising the Cowboys with an onside kick in between.

It was now 20-17 and the analysts were contemplating a shocking upset.The Cowboys were held to 56 yards on the ground and Emmitt Smith had only 9 yards in the 2nd half. The Steelers outgained the Cowboys in 2nd half yards 201-61. For the game, the Steelers had 25 1st downs to the Cowboy's 15.

Brown took his 2nd INT to the Steeler 6 yard line. Emmitt scored another YD a few plays later.

Ironically, O'Donnell entered Super Bowl 30 as the NFL's all time leader in fewest INT's per pass attempt.

There is also these postseason statistical fact:

Larry Brown made more playoff INT's than any other Cowboy defender during the Cowboy's dominant run in the early 90's with five.

Three of the five were in the Super Bowl, he also picked off Frank Reich in Super Bowl 27.

He picked off a 4th from Bret Favre in the 1995 NFC championship game.

Larry Brown is #4 all time for the Cowboys when it comes to postseason picks. He is #3 all time in postseason INT return yardage with 105 yards.

Larry Brown tied for the lead in INT's during the 1995 regular season with six, scored two TD's, which ties him with three other Cowboys for most INT's for TD's in a season.

Larry was never one destined for the Hall of Fame but his contributions were an integral part in the Cowboy's three Super Bowls and 4 conference championship games. He played big in the big games.
 

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#9 Chuck Howley

OLB Chuck Howley will forever be remembers as "THE ONLY SUPER BOWL MVP FOR A LOSING TEAM" Almost forgotten is the fact that he was also the fist defensive player chosen for that award. In that game he intercepted two passes and forced one fumble.

What has also been forgotten for the most part was that the original #54 could also have made a strong argument for Super Bowl MVP the following year. In Super Bowl 6 he recovered the only fumble Larry Czonka made that year. In the 4th quarter, on 3rd and 4 from midfield, he intercepted a pass meant for RB Jim Kiick and returned it 41 yards all the way to the Cowboys 9 yard line. The Cowboys scored their final TD of the game a few plays later.

In a 1968 playoff game against the Browns he returned a fumble 44 yrds for a TD . He also recorded a sack. Recorded another INT against the Vikings in a 1971 playoff game. Tackles and fumbles weren't recorded but I can assure you, he would be near the top of the list in playoff numbers. He was a big play LB in the regiular season and it carried over to the postseason. It is a total injustice that he was never inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Chuck Howley played in 11 playoff games including 4 NFL championships, two of them Super Bowls.
 

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Brown was slow and was generally a liability in coverage. He was burned quite often. His two picks in SB 30 were a product of us scouting O'Donnell's tendencies and also making a halftime adjustment accordingly, not any great genius play by Brown himself.
 

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Those two picks were thrown right to Brown as a result of miscommunication with O'Donnell's receivers. It's not like he jumped any routes or anything. He also gave up a big TD to Rice right before halftime in the '94 champ game.
 

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Those two picks were thrown right to Brown as a result of miscommunication with O'Donnell's receivers. It's not like he jumped any routes or anything. He also gave up a big TD to Rice right before halftime in the '94 champ game.
We fooled him into making that mistake on his hot read. He bit twice. Following the script, Brown was there to reap the free gifts.
 

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We fooled him into making that mistake on his hot read. He bit twice. Following the script, Brown was there to reap the free gifts.

no, he/we got lucky. this was not the result of cleverness or defensive strategy. Brown was the beneficiary of overthrows and bad route running. sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

[video=youtube;oxDNeKwMORk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDNeKwMORk[/video]

[video=youtube;OTapFFxqZBA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTapFFxqZBA[/video]
 

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I liked Brown okay,but there's no question in my mind he benefited greatly from having Prime,Marion and Woody as backfield mates and what I think is an all time great rotation on the D-line.
 

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no, he/we got lucky. this was not the result of cleverness or defensive strategy. Brown was the beneficiary of overthrows and bad route running. sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
In postgame interviews both he and Campo talked about how they baited him based on tendencies and it was a plan going in. This is just from my own memory though, Cowboys radio. They had noticed that in certain blitz packages he would go with the hot read while his receivers would not. Where they saw this happen on film though, the ball would land harmlessly on the turf. So they practiced faking the trigger, and made sure Brown was there for the take. Brown knew the receiver would go the wrong way, and knew where the ball was going to go.

Listen to even the idiot commentators in the videos - a blitz was on each time, and the receiver went the wrong way each time. This wasn't luck.
 

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I liked Brown okay,but there's no question in my mind he benefited greatly from having Prime,Marion and Woody as backfield mates and what I think is an all time great rotation on the D-line.
No question. Plus Brown worked hard, he wasn't a slacker at all.
 

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In postgame interviews both he and Campo talked about how they baited him based on tendencies and it was a plan going in. This is just from my own memory though, Cowboys radio. They had noticed that in certain blitz packages he would go with the hot read while his receivers would not. Where they saw this happen on film though, the ball would land harmlessly on the turf. So they practiced faking the trigger, and made sure Brown was there for the take. Brown knew the receiver would go the wrong way, and knew where the ball was going to go.

Listen to even the idiot commentators in the videos - a blitz was on each time, and the receiver went the wrong way each time. This wasn't luck.

Campo was full of crap. No amount of strategy or chalkboard sessions will make a competent QB throw to a wide open DB nowhere near the receiver. Pick #1, O'Donnell gets pressure in his face at the last second and sails the football. Pick #2, the receiver runs an in-route while O'Donnell is anticipating an out-route. Shit happens.
 

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Campo was full of crap. No amount of strategy or chalkboard sessions will make a competent QB throw to a wide open DB nowhere near the receiver. Pick #1, O'Donnell gets pressure in his face at the last second and sails the football. Pick #2, the receiver runs an in-route while O'Donnell is anticipating an out-route. Shit happens.
Calling O'Donnell competent is is a complement. The thing was, we had sacked him 9 times in a regular season meeting and Campo knew what he could do with him when the pressure of the SB was on.
They knew where the ball was going because they set O'Donnell up.

Either way, we agree Brown wasn't anything special. Whether just dumb luck, a prior plan or a combination of the two - he was just standing there waiting for the gifts. He didn't do anything genius or spectacular. And O'Donnell never was the brightest bulb on the marquee.
 

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"Our plan was to let Smith roam wide open in the end zone," Lambert said. "This would have the effect of shocking Staubach and making him underthrow the ball. I guess it worked."

[video=youtube;VbO2wlxYeWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
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Larry Brown was more fortunate than clutch. James "Tripod" Washington was clutch.

BB, do you have the video of Washington swinging the tripod?
 

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Larry Brown was more fortunate than clutch. James "Tripod" Washington was clutch.

BB, do you have the video of Washington swinging the tripod?

no but I found it on youtube

[video=youtube;aZwg2twff-s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZwg2twff-s[/video]
 

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OT, but I noticed after watching that there are several full NFL games up. How is that? Have people found their way around the YT filter that automatically removes them?
 

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OT, but I noticed after watching that there are several full NFL games up. How is that? Have people found their way around the YT filter that automatically removes them?

Pre-2012 games do not set off the filter. If a vintage game is deleted, it's because someone ratted you out or the NFL went looking for violators.
 

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"Our plan was to let Smith roam wide open in the end zone," Lambert said. "This would have the effect of shocking Staubach and making him underthrow the ball. I guess it worked."
Ahh you funneh. Making up stuff out of whole cloth now. What their secondary all still say today is more like "they could run that play 10 more times and to this day we still don't know who was supposed to cover the tight end."
 
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