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No kidding. People are dreaming if they think Jerry is going to cut his MackFadden. He never fails to mention him when the running game is brought up, while barely mentioning Morris or even former pet project Dunbar. Barring injury -- which could happen -- the Razorback will be here.

Its possible. Though if the reports of a two million roster bonus for being on the roster the first day of the season are true, maybe he isnt 100% safe. What they signed Morris to wouldn't be damaging cap-wise if they decided to release him, or if he had a big training camp and preseason perhaps he would have some late round pick trade value to a team that might end up needing a proven RB. Of the two, McFadden is the better all around back although Morris might be a better fit from just a pure running style in our system.

I'm just wondering WTF we drafted that RB in the fifth round. I don't care what his SPARQ (puke) was, there's no room for him here.

Watch his video, its pretty damn impressive. We have Elliott who will be here 5-6 years minimum, but McFadden is on a 1yr deal and Morris a 2yr deal. Dunbar is finished here.

And on that, did guys you hear Jerry and Garrett's reasoning on the end of the draft guys? Jerry actually said at the PC he was going to turn that question over to the one who learned from "The Master, Jim Garrett" :lol :lol, but then he answered the same way: You look for players that you would target as undrafted free agents but who you might have a hard time recruiting to your team.

Yeah I lol'd at the "Master" stuff when I heard it.

That said, what Garrett said is probably true. If you really liked him as a young backup getting a talented RB to agree to UDFA terms here when you just drafted Elliott #4 and still had two vets on the roster wasn't going to happen.

So for instance you take a RB in the draft who wouldn't come here of his own volition because we already have too many RBs.

Either McFadden or Morris one is unlikely to be here now IMO.
 

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So when Romo gets injured this season would you rather Moore step in or would you want Dak to be the #2 guy that we have to count on to win us a couple games while Romo heals up?

Still not convinced Moore is the primary backup when the season starts. They may be trying to wait out the situations with Foles or McCown, to see if they can sign them after being cut.

I don't want to see Prescott on the field in anything other than a preseason game. If we do, we're sunk as bad as last yr, if not worse.
 

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It's a "win now" type of pick. Versus with Ramsey that would have been a "building for the future" type pick. So as a "win now" type pick, it's a good one.

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Or its just they think Elliott is the better player and makes the whole team better, not just one area of the defense.

Hopefully they've learned their lesson on how impactful they think DB's early in the draft can really be. I think in this day and age unless you have a pretty strong pass rush, they are limited into how effective they can be. So why use premium (and by premium, I'd say top-5 for sure, maybe top-10 overall too) picks on them when even if they are good and worth the pick with how they play, they might ultimately make very little difference.
 

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wonder why jerri clings to the Garretts but doesn't see any value in utilizing guys like Gil Brandt?

Brandt I firmly believe is senile now. I don't know if you have listened to him the past few yrs, but the elevator doesn't seem to be going to the top floor with him.

I really don't know much about Garrett's dad, other than that he was a long time scout. I'm sure he made his share of mistakes but Brandt was in charge of the draft process for the Cowboys and was responsible for drafting that from 78-87 made some of Jerry's worst drafts look ok. I leave out 1988 (the last draft he ran) because he did get us Irvin, Norton and Chad Hennings that yr.
 
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Brandt I firmly believe is senile now. I don't know if you have listened to him the past few yrs, but the elevator doesn't seem to be going to the top floor with him.

I really don't know much about Garrett's dad, other than that he was a long time scout. I'm sure he made his share of mistakes but Brandt was in charge of the draft process for the Cowboys and was responsible for drafting that from 78-87 made some of Jerry's worst drafts look ok. I leave out 1988 (the last draft he ran) because he did get us Irvin, Norton and Chad Hennings that yr.

I'll admit I was making a lot of assumption about him. Ive read some of his articles and was told he is either responsible or part of the process in determining which draft picks will be in the building for the first round picks in order to avoid having guys there that dont get drafted.

He sounded coherent in his writing and if the NFL hired him to help with day 1 of the draft, I assumed he was still pretty informed but perhaps someone else is doing the work and they are just using his name.

I haven't listened to him on the radio or TV, bummer if he is going senile
 

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I'll admit I was making a lot of assumption about him. Ive read some of his articles and was told he is either responsible or part of the process in determining which draft picks will be in the building for the first round picks in order to avoid having guys there that dont get drafted.

He sounded coherent in his writing and if the NFL hired him to help with day 1 of the draft, I assumed he was still pretty informed but perhaps someone else is doing the work and they are just using his name.

I haven't listened to him on the radio or TV, bummer if he is going senile

His writing is much better than his actual conversations for sure.

He rambles on and on, and it seems every great player in the history of the league that came in while he was in Dallas was somehow "almost a Cowboy". Some of the trade stuff he threw out there is pretty outlandish.
 

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Apparently they were trying to trade up to draft Connor Cook when Oakland jumped ahead of them and beat them to the punch.

Anyone else hear this?
 

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I heard that. Read it, actually. Literally just now though. From you. So idk how reliable.

Ha! I heard that they were going to take him if he were there and didn't expect Oakland of all teams trade up for him but I didn't hear they were trying to trade up for him.
 

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Apparently they were trying to trade up to draft Connor Cook when Oakland jumped ahead of them and beat them to the punch.

Anyone else hear this?

Yep. Offered next yrs 6th first, then offered this years 6th. Cleveland then took Raiders deal.
 

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So basically at least 4 times the Cowboys tried to make a trade and couldn't.

They almost got this draft thing down.
 

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How Dallas ruined its 2016 draft | FOX Sports


How the Dallas Cowboys blew their 2016 draft
A running back at No. 4? No thank you.


By Chris Chase
May 2, 2016 at 12:59p ET

Okay, every NFC East team that thinks it had a great draft, step forward.

Not so fast, Dallas.

Despite Jerry Jones believing that taking running back Ezekiel Elliott at No. 4 was a game-changer ("I've had my finest hours in business going against the grain," he told MMQB's Peter King), it's a move only DC, New York and Philadelphia could love. It's yet another example of what the mediocre-to-awful Cowboys of the last 20 years do best: putting star power and skill positions ahead of needs, consequences be damned.

Over the past two years it had looked like cooler, wiser heads had been prevailing in Dallas when they'd been presented with choices between flash and substance. This was most famously shown when the Cowboys passed on Johnny Manziel for some offensive lineman in the 2014 NFL draft, a pick that still annoyed Jerry Jones even after Manziel began his downward spiral in Cleveland. Meanwhile, that offensive lineman, Zack Martin, is now two-for-two in Pro Bowls and has a first-team All-Pro honor as well.

Solid, measured drafting like that would be the key to breaking through and becoming a dominant team in a division that hasn't seen one in a decade. Shoring up an offensive line, however unsexy, is how DeMarco Murray became a star in 2014 and even gave the oft-injured Darren McFadden the second-best season of his career in 2015, much to the delight of his fellow Arkansas Razorback Jerry Jones. The idea of getting another good back is sound: A solid rushing attack helps Tony Romo which helps Dez Bryant and the receiving corps and, thus, goes back to helping the offensive line. Football is all about symbiotic relationships.

Doing the same to the defense - by, say, drafting FSU cornerback Jalen Ramsey or edge rusher DeForest Buckner - could have had the same sort of domino effect. A shutdown secondary could allow Dallas to load the box to stop the run or attack on more blitzes with the knowledge that coverage would be taken care of downfield.

But the lessons Dallas should have learned from the Manziel/Martin situation were already forgotten. Instead, Jones went for a position that has more first-round busts and more late-round successes than any other. It's rare the Cowboys are in a position to draft such a big prospect. After taking Elliott, it might not be long before they're in the same spot again.

Time and time again it's been proven that you don't need a running back in the first round, particularly when you're drafting as high as the Cowboys were. Consider: Only three rushers in the past 20 years have been drafted higher than Ezekiel Elliott. All were expected to change their offensive complexion of their teams and begin new dynasties. Those three players: Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush and Trent Richardson.

But the high bust potential isn't why the Elliott pick was wrong. (He might be great. Jalen Ramsey might be a bust.) Nor is the fact that running backs rarely (almost never) are the key cog to a Super Bowl title team. (The Patriots won a title with their rushing leader getting 412 yards on the ground. The Giants won their last Super Bowl with Ahmad Bradshaw, who finished the year with 659 yards. Even the Super Bowl teams with the best runners had guys who barely clipped 1,000 yards (Marshawn Lynch being the exception, though he was playing on a team largely predicated on its defense).

The biggest issue is the shifting doctrine of the Cowboys. Dallas drafted for offense, which is fine. Their best-case scenario is, I don't know, Romo, Elliott and Dez Bryant becoming the new triplets and leading Dallas back to the later stages of the playoffs that have been so foreign to the franchise since the days of Jimmy Johnson (and that year Barry Switzer rode his coattails to a title)?

It sounds great. Great passer, great receiver, (theoretically) great runner. Put up four touchdowns per game and run through your schedule to the playoffs. The problem is Dallas's defense has all the trappings of one that might give up a lot of points too. It's not much benefit to score 28 points when you're giving up 31. An offense is only as good as its defense - just ask the Saints.

That's why something King wrote about Jones and the Dallas coaching staff (which are usually just mouthpieces of Jones) was so tremendously "Cowboys": Part of the reason they took Elliott was because they thought his presence would lead to longer drives that would keep the defense off the field. On the whole it makes sense. You want your offense to keep your defense off the field. But, and I'm just spitballing here, if you're worried about your defense being on the field, it's likely because you're worried about your defense in general. In that case, draft defense. Who, worried about their defense, goes offense instead, trusting it to help that defense? It's insane.

There's this new wrinkle - most hilarious of all and also written about on MMQB - that Dallas was trying to acquire another first-round pick (late in the round) to get Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch, who would then be an understudy to Tony Romo.

The whole thing is played up by Jones like Lynch almost became a Cowboy. In that case, Dallas would have taken a running back at No. 4 when there were a half-dozen other holes to fix and then would have been happy to give away picks to draft a quarterback who wouldn't even play for years.

Only, it didn't go down that way. The Cowboys merely desired Lynch, but not enough to do anything other than blow some smoke, at least according to King's account. Why? The Cowboys lowballed almost every team picking from No. 18 and No. 28 in their "attempt" to get Lynch, offering packages no sane team would take. It's sort of like going into a Hyundai dealership, offering the salesman $11,000 for a Sonata and then, after getting immediately rejected, saying "well, I almost bought a car today."

How bad, truly, could Dallas have really wanted the Memphis QB? Jerry Jones gets what he wants and if he wanted Paxton Lynch, then he'd have gotten Paxton Lynch.

Jones boasts of his risk-taking yet took no real risks, at least in his eyes. To the rest of the NFL, taking a back at No. 4 would be a fireable offense. For Dallas, it's the key to a door they'll never unlock.

How 'bout them Cowboys?
 

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I've had my finest hours in business going against the grain

key qualifier: "In business"

Can anyone think of a situation in the NFL where this strategy has worked out for jerri?

Some may say hiring Jimmy, but he was already on the Cowboys radar to be the next coach and would have probably occurred subject to Schramms devotion to Landry

The Herschal Walker trade would be the one item I'd give jerri credit for but not for originating the idea (all I have read stated that jerri thought of Herschel as an integral piece of the team for both his performance on the field as well as his marketing ability and was shocked when Jimmy brought up the idea of trading him) but for being willing to write a million dollar check to get Herschel to agree to the trade. This was at a time when cash flow was really stressed so it was impressive that jerri took the risk. Its a shame he couldn't be satisfied with getting credit for stuff like this vs trying to suck all the oxygen out of the room.

What other big risks has he taken that has made the team better?

Maybe Deion but I cant think of any others and the only ones that come to mind, hurt the team rather than helped it.
 

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Who the fuck is Chris Chase?

Apparently Chris Chase is from Maryland and a Redskins fan. So that explains it. Found a page on tumbler that's dedicated to him.
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Can anyone think of a situation in the NFL where this strategy has worked out for jerri?

Well, there was the Special Teams draft... uh... reaching for Quincy Carter in the 2nd when you could have signed him as a UDFA... err.. trading two first rounders for Joey Galloway... um... trading a 1st & 2nd for Roy Williams... uhh... the Cold Weather Kicker.... I got nothing.
 

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Well, there was the Special Teams draft... uh... reaching for Quincy Carter in the 2nd when you could have signed him as a UDFA... err.. trading two first rounders for Joey Galloway... um... trading a 1st & 2nd for Roy Williams... uhh... the Cold Weather Kicker.... I got nothing.

lol, yeah, those are the ones I was thinking of when I said:

I cant think of any others and the only ones that come to mind, hurt the team rather than helped it.
 
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